Hi, (sorry for my english) I reed your superb test of a twinser board. I think the twinser are most important in the light condition and little to medium wave side or side on ... and your test is perfect for me. I find a board for really light wind and medium wave ... After reed your test I think to buy a mistral 84, but I hope that you are write is true, becouse I always ASK a board like this... I 75 kg for 1,85cm and I love only surf the wave jump is not important and I use many time 5.4 and 5.0 sometime 5.8 underpowrred (wave side side/on), under the 5.0 I use a custom 70lt. 53cm by and congratulation for the idea of test of 80-85 twinser. waiting for condition to trye (sardegna next week or carro) the new mistral I waiting for your answer.... by alberto http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2407#msg-2407 Fri, 24 May 2013 21:06:01 +0000 Phorum 5.2.19 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,10182#msg-10182 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,10182#msg-10182 lovin it ASK A CLONE Fri, 02 Mar 2012 10:43:15 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,10173#msg-10173 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,10173#msg-10173 Stev-0 ASK A CLONE Fri, 02 Mar 2012 07:07:00 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3624#msg-3624 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3624#msg-3624 steve ASK A CLONE Thu, 17 Sep 2009 06:51:40 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3623#msg-3623 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3623#msg-3623 jd ASK A CLONE Thu, 17 Sep 2009 04:12:39 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3614#msg-3614 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3614#msg-3614
Thanks!]]> Steve ASK A CLONE Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:40:46 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3460#msg-3460 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3460#msg-3460
I would like to share my observations about the upwind performance of the mistral twinzer 84.

But first of all, I love this board! It's extreme loose on the wave, especially going from rail to rail on the face. Also the carves that this board allows are just incredible, so tight. Most of us agree on this, so let's get back to my observations:

The first time I rode the board, I used a 2005 Gaastra Manic 5.0, slightly underpowered. The board was a dream to sail and going upwind was easy. The second time I rode the board I used the same setup, but in overpowered conditions. This made the Manic somewhat backhanded and the board had trouble going upwind. In comparison, I never felt this with my single fin (tabou pocket wave 78) under similar conditions, with the same sail.

I just bought a set of new gaastra's and used the board with a poison 5.0 (2009) and a manic 4.7 (2008) in powered up, to overpowered conditions. With both sails, the board had no problem going upwind. In comparison to the 2005 manic, the newer sails felt less backhanded when powered up.

My conclusion is that the board sails upwind like a dream using my modern sails. However, when used with my backhanded older sail, the board has trouble going upwind. It feels as if the fins cannot handle the backhand power of my older sail.

My two cents,

Hugo.]]> Hugo ASK A CLONE Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:04:12 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3332#msg-3332 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3332#msg-3332 I'm concerned that you wont be able to get it any more with the changes that have happend at Mistral? I'm interested in the 76L version if I can get my hands on one new or second hand to replace my Evo 70. Does anyone know where to get a 76L?]]> Stev-0 ASK A CLONE Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:12:25 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3312#msg-3312 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3312#msg-3312 greg ASK A CLONE Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:46:51 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3311#msg-3311 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3311#msg-3311
-Gives more drive and speed in the bottom turn in the clew first position when wave riding in x-on shore winds/waves
-Delivers a full rail carve off the top in weak mushy waves - makes you feel like a God!
-You 'finish off' your turns on the wave and can slide and drift at will.
-Links multiple front and backside turns with speed that you wouldn't normally be able to do!
-Planes very early.
-Easy handles a under powered 5.6 down to a completely stacked 4.5.
-The ride at speed is sizzling! - it is lively, fast and just sits on the water and doesn't bounce or feel over finned.
-Compact shape makes jumping and looping easy.
-Gives you the volume to get out through the break and the inside rips but gives the turning of a much smaller board.
-Very corky off the plane and tricky to sail in very gusty cross-off shores.
-Can nose dive rapidly - like an Italian in the penalty area - if you are not sensitive to sudden power surges on your front hand.

My wavesailing has stepped up another notch via this board. I'm getting turns in which I've never managed before in rubbish waves....and I've been wavesailing for 20 years. I just sold my '07 Evo 80 which was my previous best all-round board - but the Mistral is just in another league! "It out Evos the Evo in mushy conditions!!"

This board is the most fun board I've ever had - it's just sooo exciting to ride as it does things you don't expect - but in a radical way. I'm just "hooting" everytime I sail it. Can't wait to try it out in quality waves....

My concern is that Mark Nelson may not be shaping this twin design for Mistral anymore and it will vanish from the market!? I'm pretty sure that I got the very last production Mistral 84 twin RD that was made ..... :-(]]> Stev-0 ASK A CLONE Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:22:55 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3065#msg-3065 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3065#msg-3065 I think the mistral is the most interesting board to come out for a very long time, it will take time to get it fully dialled as its very different but ive had turns into sections that just are not possible on other boards. That for me is what the mistral is about....]]> mack ASK A CLONE Wed, 20 May 2009 09:00:39 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3064#msg-3064 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3064#msg-3064 BT ASK A CLONE Wed, 20 May 2009 02:15:22 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3058#msg-3058 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3058#msg-3058 BT ASK A CLONE Tue, 19 May 2009 04:12:19 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3057#msg-3057 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,3057#msg-3057 BT ASK A CLONE Tue, 19 May 2009 04:08:31 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2951#msg-2951 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2951#msg-2951 I've had some totally kick asss sessions w/ the M84twinzer..very stoked.. but other days - like today ( well , and yesterday too).. rather disappointing.. 4.7 side shore w/ waist to mast high wind swell w/ a little long period south swell mixed in.. I was totally killin it w/ my sos 98L custom..goin deep, goin vertical w/ killer off the lips- just smilin from ear to ear- havin a blast! came in for a break and thought i'd change boards to the M 84.. well it was so much less forgiving.. it would go deep and hit some vertical lips.. but much less than my other board- not as many smiles and definately a good share of cursin- haha. I know there were days w/ a steeep south swell that the M 84 behaved Very well.. but it seems like it has a specific " nitch " that it shines in ..other wise it can be rather disappointing..

ps.. I'm still trying to find the "nitch".
ps +.. had the fins 1/2 the way between midline & fwd position w/ the mast track 60-70% fwd (back further feels really funny for me on this board)..
any similiar situation for you guys or any thoughts would be appreaciated...]]> jd ASK A CLONE Sat, 09 May 2009 04:02:59 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2883#msg-2883 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2883#msg-2883
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Take a pic of the conditions....21ft and 11 secs sounds very BIG.....where are you?!]]> noserider ASK A CLONE Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:20:13 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2881#msg-2881 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2881#msg-2881 jd ASK A CLONE Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:53:05 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2879#msg-2879 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2879#msg-2879 Jeff]]> Jeff ASK A CLONE Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:56:52 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2877#msg-2877 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2877#msg-2877 jd ASK A CLONE Sun, 12 Apr 2009 03:18:29 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2873#msg-2873 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2873#msg-2873 (and pls dont bother saying brand X is better - cos this is the board i got lol)]]> Easter Bunny ASK A CLONE Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:08:56 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2872#msg-2872 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2872#msg-2872 John ASK A CLONE Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:08:19 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2870#msg-2870 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2870#msg-2870 Just got back From Baja where the Twinzer worked like a champ.
Jeff]]> Jeff ASK A CLONE Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:05:45 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2866#msg-2866 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2866#msg-2866 jd ASK A CLONE Fri, 10 Apr 2009 04:08:55 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2749#msg-2749 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2749#msg-2749 Shot with goprowide in video mode (screenshot of the video)]]> The fock ASK A CLONE Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:32:09 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2550#msg-2550 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2550#msg-2550
BUT when I first used the Twinser 84- this is BY FAR the best wave board on the market- you only need to sail at Hookipa to realise that most of the world's best riders are on Mistral/Mark Nelson boards at the moment, as their R&D with Nik is now a year or so ahead of their competitors on the Twinsers, and this board says it all. Whether I'm on onshore mush or down the line, this board rules. I always use it with asemetric fin position, usually about 2cm apart with the bottom turn fin quite far back. Mast track about 70% forwards just covering the mast track and footstraps- front straps right forwards, back straps right back or one from the back for lighter winds.

I have no problem getting this board planing and regularly use it with 5.3m underpowered- just pump more and get in footstraps very early.

I'm just back from an epic trip to Sicily where we scored sik surf and 30 knots winds- I used the 84 overpowered with 4.2m and underpowered with 5.3m- was great in all conditions.

I am fortunate enough to own a 92 Twinser too- I would say this is my most valuable piece of windsurfing kit, since it allows me to go wave sailing in virtually no wind. Last week at Kimmeridge it was head to logo high, 25 people wave sailing then the wind dropped and they all came in except two of us, both on large boards wobbling out and scoring the best waves of the day!

The Mistral Twinsers rule. They've had more R&D than any other brand and it shows- they are very different from the other boards out there and rip in all conditions. If you like wave riding, look no further! Congrats to Nik and Mark for all their hard work!]]> Cribby ASK A CLONE Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:26:32 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2548#msg-2548 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2548#msg-2548 The fock ASK A CLONE Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:01:40 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2545#msg-2545 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2545#msg-2545
Now I want to try the RRD twin90 and quatro for understand if I like the twinzer or if only the mistral is great for me???

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alberto]]> ALBERTO ASK A CLONE Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:36:31 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2544#msg-2544 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2544#msg-2544 I hope thun. and frid. went at carro, I hope is NOT too cold.
see you

alberto]]> alberto ASK A CLONE Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:38:29 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2496#msg-2496 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2496#msg-2496 fock ASK A CLONE Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:01:17 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2485#msg-2485 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,2407,2485#msg-2485
for fock, good pic.. where was you, carro?
unfortunatly (work...) I can't go again in france in this period.

bye

alberto]]> alberto ASK A CLONE Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:02:13 +0000