Hi Clones, I read your twin fin and FSW test and the boards that caught my eye are Fanatic from twin fin test and Kode86. My question is why should I even bother with Fanatic since Kode appears to be an overall winner? Which one is faster? Better for jumping? What do you mean Fanatic ain't good with 4.2 if you are serious regarding wave riding? Which one would you suggest to me based on this info: Weight 81kg (up to 82-83) Sails 4.2 and 4.7 Level: about to learn carve gybe not really riding waves but will learn fast since I visit wsurf school. I love speed and hi jumps but still need a decent board for waves. Conditions: Rubbish Euro! Current board: Naish WaveQuest 78L 248, 55.5 wide, single fin (year 2003 i think). It doesn't really matter as I'm selling it. http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3833#msg-3833 Sun, 19 May 2013 09:16:59 +0000 Phorum 5.2.19 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,4044#msg-4044 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,4044#msg-4044
I got better at controlling my 78L and is great but still......if underpowered 4.7 and unsteady wind I'd be much better off with a bit bigger and wider board specially when sailing upwind.

At 55cm wide it's great for overpowered 4.7 and 4.2 but for weaker winds I need another board......2 boards and 3 sails I don't think that's too much gear......]]> Vitez ASK A CLONE Sun, 13 Dec 2009 00:00:59 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3957#msg-3957 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3957#msg-3957 -------------------------------------------------------
> obviously clones don't want
> to participate in this thread (just because I'm
> black).

You have come out with some daft comments on this thread but this one takes the biscuit.

Chill out. Stop agonizing about your kit and spend more time on the water !]]> Hot Ice ASK A CLONE Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:26:03 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3956#msg-3956 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3956#msg-3956
I'd just like to say that 5.9 and 6.1 doesn't sound like much of a difference. I'd choose Icon for no particular reason.

So you too don't like 4.2 with 86L kode hmmm. Which FSW board for 4.2 and 4.7 then??

Don't know how much do you weigh but for 6.0 conditions I'd use bigger cam sail like 6.8 and 100L slalom but that would mean you'd have to have 3 boards.....]]> Vitez ASK A CLONE Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:00:01 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3954#msg-3954 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3954#msg-3954
I want to keep my my choices to NP and Simmer as I have only bought these brands earlier and I have a surfshop that gives me good prices!]]> Goose ASK A CLONE Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:50:05 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3953#msg-3953 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3953#msg-3953 -------------------------------------------------------
> what a stupid question. One is a waveboard one is
> not! if you want a waveboard to sail in waves then
> go with the waveboard, if not then go with the
> freestyle wave board.

??....What question are you refering to?

What a debate for simple question.....to make it easy, which sail is the most appropriate for the K86, ICON 5.9 or FireFly6.1?
I am aware that ICON is a pure wavesail, but it is also an excellent bump n jump/freestyle sail. I have 3 sizes already 5.3, 4.7 and 4.2. Even if the ICON has good bottom end, I want my light wind sail to have max bottom end + range. The FireFly has this but I am worried that the gap will be a bit too big down to my ICON 5.3, also that the 6.1 will be too big for the K86.

I have alot of experience with JP FSW and I know that they carry large sails with ease, but I have no prior experince with kode/kombat. Therefore I need help in this regard!]]> Goose ASK A CLONE Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:46:03 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3952#msg-3952 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3952#msg-3952 drywipe ASK A CLONE Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:21:56 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3948#msg-3948 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3948#msg-3948 Goose ASK A CLONE Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:10:21 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3947#msg-3947 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3947#msg-3947
You seem to completely missunderstand me. Firstly, what the manufacturer says is the sail range of a board usually is very optimistic. I would never go below 5.0 with an K86. The spec says 4.0....

What I want to know is when the drawbacks are bigger than the gains. What sail size is the maximum for the K86? I am interested in hearing from people with experience of the K86, not somebody simply refering to a specification.]]> Goose ASK A CLONE Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:05:26 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3946#msg-3946 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3946#msg-3946
And if you have 6.1 and it blows for 4.7 you won't plain faster just because you have too big sail. Your question sounds like you are a plain beginner, no offense.

If you sail only 5.0 and up you should buy a bigger board like 100L IMO.]]> Vitez ASK A CLONE Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:02:33 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3944#msg-3944 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3944#msg-3944 Goose ASK A CLONE Sat, 28 Nov 2009 08:13:56 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3943#msg-3943 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3943#msg-3943 Al ASK A CLONE Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:31:35 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3942#msg-3942 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3942#msg-3942 Chesapeake ASK A CLONE Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:49:19 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3939#msg-3939 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3939#msg-3939 Goose ASK A CLONE Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:11:23 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3897#msg-3897 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3897#msg-3897 Tim ASK A CLONE Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:48:17 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3896#msg-3896 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3896#msg-3896 Vitez ASK A CLONE Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:05:22 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3894#msg-3894 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3894#msg-3894 Tim ASK A CLONE Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:18:52 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3893#msg-3893 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3893#msg-3893
Too bad it's too big for 4.2 yeah I'm 80-82kg....]]> Vitez ASK A CLONE Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:14:03 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3892#msg-3892 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3892#msg-3892 Tim ASK A CLONE Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:04:50 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3891#msg-3891 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3891#msg-3891 Tim ASK A CLONE Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:01:15 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3866#msg-3866 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3866#msg-3866 zadave ASK A CLONE Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:25:03 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3860#msg-3860 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3860#msg-3860
Well if I had lots of cash I'd sure have like RRD twinzer 74, Kode86 and Manta 100L slalom but let's leave that ;-) ou I'd sure replace my 6.0 with some cam sail!

Sure additional fin for 6.0 - why not free race fin?

Right if it's steady wind for 4.2 I'll use 78L instead - the 78L is a bit long 248cm, what does that mean?

Btw have you sailed Kode86 2009 or 2010?

So thanks for the help. If anyone has anything to add go ahead although I feel that the Kode will kick ass!]]> Vitez ASK A CLONE Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:44:58 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3847#msg-3847 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3847#msg-3847
Should be a pretty quick combo - I'd expect to be out in about 15 knots on that.

My dream biggest sail for that board would be a NP firefly 6.1 - seminal bit of gear.

Cheers
Eddie]]> salesman ASK A CLONE Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:41:26 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3846#msg-3846 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3846#msg-3846
Regarding using ANY big (80liter) and above board with tiny sails (5.0 and less) then there are some arguments for when you would want to do this, very gusty wind, heavy sailor, very strong rips , freestyle or windy lakes.

For most average size windsurfers when it is really really windy (5.0 or windier) then having the smallest possible board is a great thing as it is easier to control.

That's why i havent used the kode 86 with a 4.2 - i'm sure compared to any other 86 it would do really really well, but if i have a smaller board i'd always take that.

Finally - there are a few "howlers" (really bad boards) around but they are a small minority and im sure whatever you get you'll learn to love, but for me these posts were about steering you towards the right type of board.

Get tooled up pronto and get to the beach, the rest is up to you .............

Cheers
Eddie]]> salesman ASK A CLONE Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:29 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3840#msg-3840 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3840#msg-3840
See the embarrassing thing is that despite googling I don't know what cross shore off shore and that stuff means - I don't even know if it says info regarding just the wind or the waves as well....

But still I do know that you can't really go front side with waves and wind in the same direction no matter what the direction that is - you would get the sail in your face =)

Anyway I do too fancy Kode more as I like aggressive board - I rather wsurf 2 hours really hardcore than 4 hours average. And yes the waves are mostly for jumping here.
And also I can keep the 78L which should be somehow loose as the fanatic is. My 78L has 22cm fin.

Have you tried Kode86 with 4.2?

I also have a freerace no-cam sail 6.0 - ok for Kode?]]> Vitez ASK A CLONE Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:15:29 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3839#msg-3839 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3839#msg-3839
Now - if i worked for Starboard that WOULD be cool. Sadly not. Where i work we sell all brands of boards except a couple of minor ones.

Yes i saield both boards.

You can go frontside anytime - most commentators reckon it's more appropriate to cross- cross off conditions but i quite like it even in cross on shores.

I was trying to be professional and not color your judgment too much from my own opinion, but for me the starboard was a great allrounder and very good in the waves, the fanatic was a pretty dull allrounder but fantastic in the waves. If i was scoring i'd say Starboard 9/10 jumping, 9/10 blasting, 8/10 waves with the fanatic being 8/10/4/10 and 10/10 respectively.

I'm gonna buy a 74 ish liter twinzer and a 90 ish liter FSW, probably both RRd's

Cheers
Eddie]]> Salesman ASK A CLONE Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:06:54 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3837#msg-3837 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3837#msg-3837 Vitez ASK A CLONE Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:35:48 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3836#msg-3836 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3836#msg-3836
If I ain't wrong for front side riding waves should be 90 degrees to the wind. Most of the time this is not the case where I surf. So it's mostly backside. Even in times where there is front side possible Kode will do the job.

Isn't shorter board (fanatic) better for looping?]]> Vitez ASK A CLONE Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:55:01 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3835#msg-3835 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3835#msg-3835 Welshside ASK A CLONE Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:54:02 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3834#msg-3834 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3834#msg-3834
However the Kode is a very balanced board, Very good for front and backside riding, arguably better for jumping than the twins and many folks find they can achieve a higher top speed on them. It's the pragmatic choice as a high wind allrounder.

The Kode is the result of a lot of refinement of a proven concept. The twins are still evolving rapidly, coupled with the massive seconhand devauluation problems fanatic face may also color you judgment.

Good luck with your choice and rip it up !!

Eddie]]> salesman ASK A CLONE Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:43:24 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3833#msg-3833 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,3833,3833#msg-3833

I read your twin fin and FSW test and the boards that caught my eye are Fanatic from twin fin test and Kode86.

My question is why should I even bother with Fanatic since Kode appears to be an overall winner?

Which one is faster? Better for jumping?

What do you mean Fanatic ain't good with 4.2 if you are serious regarding wave riding?

Which one would you suggest to me based on this info:

Weight 81kg (up to 82-83)
Sails 4.2 and 4.7
Level: about to learn carve gybe not really riding waves but will learn fast since I visit wsurf school.
I love speed and hi jumps but still need a decent board for waves.
Conditions: Rubbish Euro!
Current board: Naish WaveQuest 78L 248, 55.5 wide, single fin (year 2003 i think). It doesn't really matter as I'm selling it.]]> Vitez ASK A CLONE Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:33:38 +0000