Clones: Thanks as always for testing and giving Honest opinion! From what I can read, the new 2011 Severne S1 was not your favorite sail in the recent test. Lack of tunability, back handed, poor top end....a specialist's sail. That is what I thought I read. I have to tell you, through a lot of trial and error, I am finally in love with my sails. A quiver of 2009 Severne S1s. Light, balanced, and fun. I am a big guy doing flat water freestyle and waves, so sizes 6.3-4.7m2. Mainly 6.3 and 5.3. What changed if any (other than the obvious addition of Optix X-ply, switch to e5 from e4, and dropped clew) have evolved from 2010 and now 2011 in this sail? Looking forward to your honest answer, Mark http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5535#msg-5535 Mon, 20 May 2013 06:59:41 +0000 Phorum 5.2.19 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5860#msg-5860 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5860#msg-5860
any feedback from S-1 2011 owners about the sail?
(upper range, how do the sizes, characteristics
compare to the '09/'10 models?)

thanks,
chris]]> chris1 ASK A CLONE Sat, 20 Nov 2010 18:39:58 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5669#msg-5669 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5669#msg-5669
"The S-1 works better even in lighter winds with more downhaul and outhaul. (Enough downhaul to pull the lower battens back to the middle of the mast, and enough outhaul to then pull the battens to within 1cm of the back of the mast.)"

good to hear that it migth have been a trimming issue.
now it is just a matter of preference between the S-1
and the BLADE, since the latter now got lighter with
hightech materials too!]]> chris1 ASK A CLONE Sat, 02 Oct 2010 10:19:41 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5640#msg-5640 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5640#msg-5640
no answer on the mast / trimm question?

regarding trimm i found that you had to find the
exact right downhaul on the '09 models.
the sail doesn't like a 'baggy' lightwind trimm
(coe backhanded, less drive, feels 'heavy') ,
but is very efficient in a rather flat trimm.
similar at strong winds - the sail doesn't like
to be overtrimmed, but is very stable with just
slightly more downhaul.
most of the trimming i do with the outhaul,
but even there just minimal changes!

any comments if this has changed with the
new '11 models?

:) chris]]> chris1 ASK A CLONE Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:00:52 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5621#msg-5621 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5621#msg-5621 Al Bentley ASK A CLONE Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:07:15 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5620#msg-5620 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5620#msg-5620
Severne S-1 "Test mast: Severne Enigma 400cm RDM 100%"
shouldn't it be the redline 400 rdm mast - typo?

another point: was dany bruch around to help find the perfect trimm?

thanks,
chris]]> chris1 ASK A CLONE Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:44:30 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5616#msg-5616 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5616#msg-5616
I use 2010 S1s with a quiver of 3.7, 4.3, 5.0 and 5.6. There is never a time where I said I wish I had a 4.7 or something, so I don't think the fact the sails are more suited to lighter winds means you need to buy an extra sail.

Am getting my 2011 ones soon so will let you know!

Al]]> Al Bentley ASK A CLONE Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:25:54 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5614#msg-5614 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5614#msg-5614 TallJames ASK A CLONE Fri, 24 Sep 2010 07:02:53 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5613#msg-5613 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5613#msg-5613 and is best in low to medium winds.
wonder if it has enough stability overpowered
what i liked with the '09 models (range!)]]> chris1 ASK A CLONE Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:54:49 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5610#msg-5610 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5610#msg-5610
[www.severnesails.com]]]> will b ASK A CLONE Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:22:39 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5600#msg-5600 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5600#msg-5600 ('parrently some muppets like sails like that ;-)
Me - id go for the S1 (or the fly2 if youd tested it)
And ive not got OCD - it's not just about them having numbers - they just feeeel better.
LOL

little eddie (duuuude)]]> duuude ASK A CLONE Mon, 20 Sep 2010 15:49:27 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5596#msg-5596 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5596#msg-5596
i'm hoping to get permission to run it on boardseeker this week though.]]> admin ASK A CLONE Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:52:20 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5595#msg-5595 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5595#msg-5595
"and then the whole test and manufacturers' answerbacks will be freely available here at Boardseeker.com from 17 September 2010."]]> chris1 ASK A CLONE Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:43:39 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5575#msg-5575 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5575#msg-5575
The Pryde Combat was tested on a 370 X combat mast, whilst the Simmer Icon was used on a Simmer RDM10 mast.

I see that the sail dimensions are also wrong for those 2 sails, although the prices are correct. Here are the corrected figures:

PRYDE COMBAT
Luff: 390cm
Boom: 163cm
Weight: 3.37kg

SIMMER ICON
Luff: 411cm
Boom: 159cm
Weight: 3.6kg

Apologies for that.

Adrian]]> adrian@boardseeker ASK A CLONE Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:36:55 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5574#msg-5574 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5574#msg-5574
The report says it as we found it really. The S1 just didnt have quite the top end to match some of the other sails in test ie you needed to change down earlier. When we assess top end in a wave sail, we are looking for a sail that still feels fun and easy to use when overpowered. The nature of the S1 this year, means that it holds its power a little more on the back hand than some of the other sails.

With regard to comparing it to the 2009 model, its hard for us to comment as 1. It was some time ago and 2. It was a different size (5.3m last time). However we don't remember it holding power quite as much at the top end. We do remember that the leech had a little bit of flutter on the older model when over powered, which seems to have been eliminated on the 2011 model.

International do seem a little perplexed that we didnt find the top end to be better on the S1. We did our best to try all the sails through a wide range of settings and spent some time tuning the S1 to try and get a lighter back hand feel when over powered. However its still possible that there is a very specific setting on the S1 that we just didn't get dialed into. Whats more, this whole test was completed in Tenerife where the wind can be quite gusty and perhaps overly punishing on a sail that has a slightly smaller usable wind band.

Overall, the S1 was incredibly light and was a very likable sail in its wind range. We just found that we had to change down quicker than on most of the other sails....]]> adrian@boardseeker ASK A CLONE Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:31:12 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5572#msg-5572 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5572#msg-5572
I have to say that I dind't sail much on that set however S1 rigged on that mast felt very light in hands.]]> Jan ASK A CLONE Mon, 13 Sep 2010 10:18:57 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5569#msg-5569 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5569#msg-5569 wsurfn ASK A CLONE Sun, 12 Sep 2010 22:15:56 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5564#msg-5564 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5564#msg-5564
Thanks for an informative wave sail test.
In the test you stated in the "overview" for the N.P.Combat and the Simmer Icon that you used a Gaastra RDM 100% -
is this an error or is it correct?

Also, anyone out there using a Severne S1 with a Gaastra RDM 75% - I have heard that the gaastra and severne masts
are the same bend curve and stiffness.I ask as I would like to change to Severne S1 as my Gaastra manic HD are way too
heavy in comparison.


Thanks again

Robby]]> Robby ASK A CLONE Sun, 12 Sep 2010 08:47:56 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5563#msg-5563 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5563#msg-5563 They are blindin for cross off stuff, light, on off, but enough "on" , to pull you over the front for the full front foot, mac daddy bottom turn.
As i ve said ive had em for a while and was suprised how much range they have if you get you tuning act together, went out on 5.0, when at best it was 4.5,( left the small sails at home, its summer) and thought i was gonna get blown out the water, had a killer 40mins before tide got too high and blew it.
Gonna get some new ones, if i ever get some prices, (you know who you r, ;).
dunno if theyre( Nieche), or however you spell it!, as a generall description id say neutral wave sail, enough?.]]> adamf ASK A CLONE Sat, 11 Sep 2010 20:25:54 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5561#msg-5561 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5561#msg-5561 the '08 versions had the coe more back, though.

the natural range of my '09 5.0 is incredible -
it's very effective at low end and therefore
the biggest sail i use (83l fast waveboard,
planing at 4bft/25km wind, me 80kg).
don't care about the slight leech flatter in stronger
winds and overpowered in 6bft no problem!
then i would change down to the 4.3 which is
very stable even in 8bft gusts! (400 redline mast)

hope the '11 version didn't loose in upper range
like the boardseeker overview suggests..]]> chris1 ASK A CLONE Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:36:15 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5559#msg-5559 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5559#msg-5559
I've hammered mine usage wise (apart from this last year as theres been no wind) and have had no issues with weak areas/punctures etc. Guess you can get unlucky, but from my experience this is not exclusive to any one brand. I've broken a couple of boards in this time, too. I still see the '07s kicking about and they're still going strong.

I absolutely love them and wouldn't change them for anything. It is pretty much an experimental sail, a no-holds barred 'this is what we'll do and budget doesn't really matter' kind of deal. The costs of the e4/e5 material used in the head is astronomical, but does makes the sail incredibly light. For wave sailing, and I'm talking really surfing a wave, they are simply sublime. The are so light (check the weights on the test) you just forget about them, and this obviously assists in being able to manoeuvre the sail. When combined with the on/off-ness of the sail, well, you get the picture.

If you're sailing purely onshore, you're better off with something like the Blade or the Gator that's going to help you punch your way out. My experience of rigging them and tuning them is it's pretty much mainly off the outhaul like Hunty says, and when it does get over powered, it will take extra downhaul. It may not be as refined as a 'power wave' sail in this, but it does take it and deal with it. I know, 2 years of usage has told me that.

One other thing these sails do extremely well is freestyle. I'm not an expert, but can do a bit and the manoeuvrability of the sail during transitions is off the scale. The 5.9 is actually enjoyable in this aspect.

Love em!]]> Mike Rophoneabuser ASK A CLONE Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:36:22 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5558#msg-5558 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5558#msg-5558
My only criticism is the foot area is easy to puncture and I've had two sails repaired there. I think the foot has been beefed up a bit in the '11 sails?

The 2011 S-1's look the bomb and sound like an awesome sail!]]> Stev-0 ASK A CLONE Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:37:38 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5557#msg-5557 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5557#msg-5557 best sail i ever had!!

had two issues, though!

1) was is choppy cross-sea in front of a beach wall
and in no speed fell very slightly on the 5.3 sails bottom:
ripped the upper sail window over the whole length -
was shocked and worried after that!

2) had a classical catapult in slow speeds, but with
an unexpected hard hitting gust:
my body accellerated held by the harness lines
and my shoulder ripped the 5.0s colored x-ply over
the sail window.

the latter was my fault and any sail would have
suffered from my shoulders detonation,
but the former ripping of the sail window
got me puzzled!

both professional repairs were 70.- Eur

for 2010 i'm not sure between the S-1 and the blade,
since the latter got lighter and good reviews.
also x-ply for the window, what could help
to recover from my shock with the 5.3..

aloha,
chris]]> chris1 ASK A CLONE Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:50:17 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5553#msg-5553 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5553#msg-5553
One of the main reasons I use Severnes is because of Ben Severnes attitude. He makes sails so that he can use them himself (especially the S1) and when you see the harsh environment of Western Australia and the drilling the sails get in the water and on the land you can understand how well the sails are made. I also think that Severne does not compromise quality to save money as some of the volume brands may.

Of all the sails I have had the Severnes are the strongest and lightest and wear the best. They also stretch the least.

The 010 and 011 S1's have reduced amount of perimeter seams and vision panel area to improve the strength characteristics too.

How have the sails failed? Be interesting to see the test too...]]> will b ASK A CLONE Thu, 09 Sep 2010 09:16:07 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5552#msg-5552 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5552#msg-5552
Will be getting my 2011's soon so will let you know what they are like, although I saw them last weekend at NWF and there arent any major changes in design from the 10/09 versions so its unlikely there are big differences in overall feel.

Al]]> Al Bentley ASK A CLONE Thu, 09 Sep 2010 08:24:54 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5551#msg-5551 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5551#msg-5551 el gordo! ASK A CLONE Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:39:01 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5550#msg-5550 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5550#msg-5550 wsurfn ASK A CLONE Wed, 08 Sep 2010 21:55:51 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5549#msg-5549 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5549#msg-5549 hunty ASK A CLONE Wed, 08 Sep 2010 12:58:53 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5548#msg-5548 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5548#msg-5548 Bongo ASK A CLONE Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:56:34 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5547#msg-5547 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5547#msg-5547
Did you sail the '09 S-1? Similar?]]> wsurfn ASK A CLONE Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:09:29 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5544#msg-5544 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5535,5544#msg-5544
I agree its a specialist sail, certainly not traditional in feel. I would not say its changed a great deal in feel from last years sail. It does take some work to get the best out of it. I have always worked of one down haul setting and done the rest with out haul. No different for me with this years sails.

Back handy, power is from the back hand, and always has been.

Poor top end, defiantly not. They cant of found that, impossible

Lack of tunability, No way. Maybe it has a bit less than the Blade for example, but the unique thing about the S 1 has always been the hi skin tension witch has always made a very balanced sail. I think its safe to say they are just a little different to set up and use than traditional sail.

Lets see what the test actually says!!]]> hunty ASK A CLONE Wed, 08 Sep 2010 07:18:03 +0000