Hi Thanks for another informative test. Just a quick question on un tuned range, I understand what you mean by it and believe it would be v useful in gusty typical uk spots in particular Gwithian Do you think all sailors benefit equally from this or would it be of greater importance to light or heavy sailors? I was thinking it might be of greater benefit to light weights such as myself http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5623,5623#msg-5623 Wed, 22 May 2013 02:33:50 +0000 Phorum 5.2.19 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5623,5707#msg-5707 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5623,5707#msg-5707
i am 68kg and looking to replace my 2005 zone, i like this sail but the power dose come on in an abrupt manner and it is not the most comfortable in chop / gusty conditions

I have used 2008 combat 5.3 and find it v forgiving in gusty/choppy conditions but a bit soft at times perhaps not as direct as i would like when initiating bottom turn..

so i am thinking of buying 4.2+4.7 combats 2009 or 2010, sounds like 2009 would be better all round option but not as good as 2010 for wave riding, is this a valid conclusion?

2011 best of both worlds but too expensive


.]]> snappersteve ASK A CLONE Sat, 09 Oct 2010 16:01:54 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5623,5706#msg-5706 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5623,5706#msg-5706 For 2011 we see skin tension more akin to the '09 sail - but with the improvements (shorter luff, compact clew) it should have better untuned range and better on/off power control.

Cheers
Marco]]> not a clone ASK A CLONE Sat, 09 Oct 2010 11:46:55 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5623,5705#msg-5705 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5623,5705#msg-5705
Am I right in my test result understanding that 2009 combats have better un-tuned range than 2010 but 2011 have improved this back to level of 2009?

Cheers

Steve]]> snappersteve ASK A CLONE Sat, 09 Oct 2010 11:30:26 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5623,5639#msg-5639 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5623,5639#msg-5639

The idea of separating tuneable range and 'untuned range' is good.
Tunable range is how you can change power delivery by tweaking downhaul and outhaul.
Untuned range is what many designers call 'dynamic sail range' or how it reacts on auto-pilot to different wind strengths.

The weight of the sailor does make a difference in that a heavier sailor will hang on to the sail in stronger winds, and choose a bigger sail in lighter conditions.

So the heavier sailor applies more load to any rig, bending the mast sideways more under load.
As we set the sail with an open head to anticipate this sideways bend (which re-tightens the leech) heavier sailors generally have to set any sail with more downhaul, to achieve appropriate sheeting angles to the wind from head to foot.
In other words, heavier sailors ned to set their sails with more twist or a looser leach on the beach.
Which (I think) means they get less of a tunable range than do lighter sailors.]]> Billy ASK A CLONE Mon, 27 Sep 2010 22:32:17 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5623,5636#msg-5636 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5623,5636#msg-5636 adrian@boardseeker.com ASK A CLONE Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:25:46 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5623,5635#msg-5635 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5623,5635#msg-5635
I think untuned range is applicable to all weights of sailors who sail in gusty/fluctuating conditions.

Basically, a sail with good untuned range, will cope both underpowered and overpowered with the one setting. This means that for example, when the wind gusts, you may be able to get better performance if you come in and re-tune, but you don't have to - the sail will still work efficiently in its current set.

A sail with poor untuned range feels like whenever the wind gusts or lulls, you need to re-tune the sail to suit. Ie it might get very backhanded and baggy in the gusts and perhaps feel twitchy in the lulls.

I don't think sailor weight is too consequential, but the conditions that you sail in are. Generally the UK is more suited to sails with better untuned range.

I hope that helps,

Adrian]]> adrian@boardseeker ASK A CLONE Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:22:25 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5623,5624#msg-5624 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5623,5624#msg-5624 snappersteve ASK A CLONE Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:36:04 +0000 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5623,5623#msg-5623 http://forums.boardseekermag.com/read.php?5,5623,5623#msg-5623
Thanks for another informative test.

Just a quick question on un tuned range, I understand what you mean by it and believe it would be v useful in gusty typical uk spots in particular Gwithian

Do you think all sailors benefit equally from this or would it be of greater importance to light or heavy sailors?

I was thinking it might be of greater benefit to light weights such as myself]]> snappersteve ASK A CLONE Sat, 25 Sep 2010 17:34:03 +0000