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welshside
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
13 March '10 | 6:44pm
Wales Tales, where are you sailing? Gower or Pembrokeshire from the sound of things..
If its Pembrokeshire ive got a Puravida Quatro 81 you can demo, or you can always give Jim a shout and he can hook you up with a demo on anything..
From the boards ive used and for the waves we get id go for the Fanatics, just because they work better with the conditions we get. The quatro is an outstanding board in the right conditions though...
wave jedi
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
13 March '10 | 9:21pm
fanatic-well past there best.....
Quattro-glass construction only.... oooh that's a bit cheeky...
starboard quads... muppetts only...
Can't wait to hear how honest and straight up true this test is when it FINALLY comes out!!

Jesus..... we're bored without wind!!!
wdsurf
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
14 March '10 | 1:59am
own a 2010 quatro tempo 84 twin since last sept. and a CUSTOM 95 liter quatro quad since july 2009.sailed the quad the most cause of light wind and i,m 205 lbs..but after sailing both boards on the great lakes they are entirely different animals.the tempo is more like a freewave board fast,lots of fun, lively,easy to ride out of the box.the quad took awhile to adapt to the board the quad 300 mfc finset,board rides more planted but still fast with its fast rocker.personally like the feel of the tempo.need to try the custom as a twin.my two cents from the real world spending my own money trying the new boards.awaiting the test results to see if they feel as i do.
Bastian
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
14 March '10 | 2:07am
I Know that everyone here wants to hurry up the release of the boards test, i want it too believe me.. very curious about the performance of the new wave boards... But want to bring attention that no one seems to be requesting on the forums the release of the new Boardseeker Babe!!!!!!! come on.. there should be equal preasure there people! last one is from october 2009. would like to see another beauty who can nail spocks!! where i live is still summer but if its too cold in UK just make the bikini photoshoot indoor, no problem. Dont mind about the landscapes at all.
Goose
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
14 March '10 | 8:59am
Why not reflect on what Kauli thinks about singles, twins and Quads.....

From [www.umipictures.com]

In whatcha ridin we’re checking out what the umi boys are riding and why. Third in this series is three times PWA wave world champion Kauli Seadi. In 2007 Kauli paved the path towards multifin boards when he first introduced his twinzers at the Cabo Verde world cup. A year later almost all riders were using twinfins and now most brands have a twinfin range in their production line up. Time for Kauli to take it one step further: from twins to quads. We asked him about his different boards and the latest developments.

You seem to bring more boards with you on tour than any other riders.
‘I am always working on my boards, looking for the ultimate shape to implement my surfing style into windsurfing. The development of boards is where my passion lies. This is where the possibilities to improve the level is so I push it hard.’

Your boards look different from the JP production boards, why is that?
‘Of course since I am developing the boards, I will try out different shapes. I try out different outlines, tail shapes, I move the fins around to see what works best. If I would just use the boards we already have we wouldn’t be able to make any progress!’

You have all sorts of boards, let start with the single fins, what can you tell about those?
‘The single fin here I made last year for the world cup in Sylt. The rocker is a bit flatter and the board is quite wide and long so it goes through the white water really well. It is really Sylt oriented: the board measures about 57,5 cm wide and has a bit of a winger, I tend to use a lot of back foot at some point and if there’s too much area in the tail it doesn’t turn so well. With the quads I have been able to open the width point of the board and with the fins near the rail you can still use the rail with the wider tails but with just one fin in the centre the board is too wide and it was not really working. In the last Sylt event I used this single fin in the expression session at the last day. Dead onshore, walls of white water, it just works better then cause it gives me more speed.’

What can you tell us about your quads?
‘The quad was something that I designed to follow the same philosophy of a twin. I wanted to improve some of the things that I missed from a single fin and combine it with the things I loved about twins. Twins are manoeuvrable boards and you can mix back foot riding with rail riding. Quads are a bit more stiff but still have the feel of using the rails like twins have, these boards are almost all the time rail oriented for a true surf feel, which really suits my style.
‘I have been experimenting with the quads for over a year now. At first we had a flat tail, but with the fish tail it seemed to work a bit better. I had a winger in the tail which enabled me to get a straighter line through the foot straps to get a bit more projection in the turns. The first quads I played around a bit and now after many prototypes I have gone back to a more traditional rounded pintail with slight wingers.’

When do you use your quads?
‘I use the quad for most conditions now, but specially for side onshore wave riding they are nice when there are good size waves. My quads are like twinzers with stabilisers in the front. It intensified the transition from a single to a twin: the single was like a fast board on which you couldn’t really use the rails. Then with the twinzer you could already use the rails much more. The quad is like two times more: you can really use the rails. You can still feel a bit like a twin, you keep the loose feeling. The quads do longer turns, they are more drivey. At the same time if you step hard you can do short turns like on twins. In the Sylt contest with pretty onshore conditions I used my 57 cm wide quad in the first single elimination, which for me is a really big board. The wind was super strong: 4.5 full power and I was still riding easy with a lot of control.’

Is there still space for twinfins in your boardbag?
‘Yes of course! When I get stronger winds I prefer the twinfins to the quads. With a quad you need to do proper turns, with twinfins you can do snappier turns on the tail. For that a twinfin works better. The twin is a bit more agile and manoeuvrable , the quad tend to draw a bit longer lines. The twin fin make you use more of the rail and they give the rider that fluid style… more lose and connected to the wave.’

What about the bottom shape of your boards?
‘All my boards have concave to double concave and a bit of V through the middle around the mast track to improve the rail to rail qualities. We keep that same bottom shape on all the boards as it works very well.’

What’s with the outline of the boards?
‘The outline of my twinfins used to be a bit longer and straighter than my quads, but I now work with the same outlines for my quads and twinfins. The biggest challenge was to find the right fin position for the quads. The setup is very important and it took me a very long time to find out the right combination.’

Quad surfboards usually have the bigger fins in front, why did you choose to have the big fins in the back?
‘Surfboards get speed from the wave, windsurfboards run on the flats as well so you need something to give you speed, otherwise you will be too slow. Since back fins give more projection and speed, I chose to have the bigger fins in the back. I tried many different ways and in the end I found out the best setup was with the back ones closer together, and the side ones closer to the rail. When the fins are too big in the front I get the feeling that I get stuck too much in the rails, you cannot go rail to rail very easily.’

The final question to clear it all up: what’s for when?
‘For side-onshore wave riding conditions I use quads now. They really draw lines and you have good control. With twins you lose a bit of control, but in onshore conditions with smaller waves, when you want to be turning a bit more I think a twinfin is better. Single fins I only use when it is really onshore and the riding is mostly backside.

‘I think for someone who has always just used single fins it is better to first learn how to sail a twinzer waveboard. Learn to use the rails, to lean the body more forward and then move to a quad. With the quad I make most of my turns with the rails, that’s how you manoeuvre. This is also why it is good to have the small fins close to the rails, as they provide just the amount of grip you need.’
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
15 March '10 | 12:23am
If the board reviews and opinions are taking so long, can you PLEASE at least post the technical data about a few boards? (width at tail, nose, rocker, planing surface...) I'm trying to compare a few single fin boards, JP Wave 75, Fanatic to last years JP RWW 74 in terms of tail width and rocker so I can get a new board for this season. At least post the technical data on these boards so I can try and make a decision based on that.
Thanks
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
18 March '10 | 10:53am
I think life is easier if you simply buy JP quad which is also a twinfin....

Guys take whatever time you need....as long as it's a honest test!
Zozl
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
18 March '10 | 12:38pm
I have to say that it's important to release an honest test...but I have to say that someone who is waiting for this test to buy his board is probably better off now waiting for another 6 months or so and go with 2011 boards !
Zozl
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
18 March '10 | 3:29pm
By the way...I have never tried a JP quad, never tried a Starboard quad...so I cannot compare. But I recently tried a Quatro Quad (custom) and it is the most awesome board I ever used...and no, I don't work for Quatro (-:...but I am starting saving some $$ !!!
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
18 March '10 | 7:47pm
I would never base my purchase entirely on the results of a single magazine's test. But when boardseeker announced back in December to expect their 75l waveboard results in a week or so I thought well this is news I can use in purchasing a new 75l waveboard. So like it seems many of you did, I decided to hold off on the purchase of a new board until reading boardseeker's test. After all this was promised to be the most comprehensive full of very useful info on particular models and even better because they promised to compare the singles against the twins.

As the mag kept extending its promises that the test was just around the corner I have hung in there holding off on my purchase thinking that the test would somehow help with my decision. After all it was just around the corner.

Well this test still hasn't come and it looks like another release date promise will be broken. Obviously I not happy with boardseeker. I feel like a fool for allowing myself to get strung along like this and for clicking on their site day after day.

As Zozl said, now that the 2011 are just around the corner I have decided that it is not worth getting a board this year. I will reevaluate my needs next winter.

This is really too bad as I was ready to buy in December. Given the current state of things I'm sure the industry could have used my cash. And I'm sure I would have been stoked with whatever board I chose.

I will read the test whenever it is finally released. I'm sure it will be full of useful info. But after this I will no longer be visiting the boardseeker site. Boardseeker you have lost a reader.
ROL
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
18 March '10 | 8:27pm
I got a starboard quad 66 litre and was sailing on it on tuesday. It was 5.0 weather and pretty onshore. I have been reading posts and tests and stuff and it says that quad fins are slower and its not a good board but mine felt fine speed wise but the in bottom turns it just wuldnt stop turning it was unreal also goes upwind so fast so was almost hitting the waves straight on so still got some good airs. I love it and considering it was a bang onshore day with small waves i cant wait to try it out in bigger stuff. So dont always listen to people try out the board you want to try even if someone says its bad its a matter of opinion i think! also spin outs never happen so after chop hopping you can keep your speed up for the bigger ramps! im not involved with any brands or anything and i think that if its a good board it doesnt matter what brand it is its just about putting a smile on your face when your out there!
windwhippett
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
19 March '10 | 12:39am
Wales Tales Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I would never base my purchase entirely on the
> results of a single magazine's test. But when
> boardseeker announced back in December to expect
> their 75l waveboard results in a week or so I
> thought well this is news I can use in purchasing
> a new 75l waveboard. So like it seems many of you
> did, I decided to hold off on the purchase of a
> new board until reading boardseeker's test.
> After all this was promised to be the most
> comprehensive full of very useful info on
> particular models and even better because they
> promised to compare the singles against the
> twins.
>
> As the mag kept extending its promises that the
> test was just around the corner I have hung in
> there holding off on my purchase thinking that the
> test would somehow help with my decision. After
> all it was just around the corner.
>
> Well this test still hasn't come and it looks like
> another release date promise will be broken.
> Obviously I not happy with boardseeker. I feel
> like a fool for allowing myself to get strung
> along like this and for clicking on their site day
> after day.
>
> As Zozl said, now that the 2011 are just around
> the corner I have decided that it is not worth
> getting a board this year. I will reevaluate my
> needs next winter.
>
> This is really too bad as I was ready to buy in
> December. Given the current state of things I'm
> sure the industry could have used my cash. And
> I'm sure I would have been stoked with whatever
> board I chose.
>
> I will read the test whenever it is finally
> released. I'm sure it will be full of useful
> info. But after this I will no longer be visiting
> the boardseeker site. Boardseeker you have lost a
> reader.


Oh man!....... get over it...... it's a test.... not a release of the windsurfing bible........ get yourself down to a shop at a windy beach, take some advice off your winsurfing retailer, get sailing and demo a board or two ..... trust what you feel.... not what someone's telling you to feel... think of all the joy you could be missing out on this spring!!

But i guess you won't take my advice anyway.. as you won't be reading this website anymore..... winking smiley
adrian@boardseeker
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
19 March '10 | 10:43am
The test will be released today.
danielgustav
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
19 March '10 | 3:43pm
"....today."
Funny!!!
adrian@boardseeker
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
19 March '10 | 5:19pm
Yep - not leaving work until its done...
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
19 March '10 | 5:44pm
Finally! Go Adrian!
comedy rusty the clown circus board hater!
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
19 March '10 | 5:46pm
good lad, cant wait!
Johny
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
20 March '10 | 1:33am
I really like the test!

Too bad You didn't have the opportunity to try thrusters as I'm so curious about RRD Thruster and also I think the test is missing RRD twin and Tabou twin but as we all know You can't change the weather even if You really wish to winking smiley

Cheers and greetings!
the next mr tweedy?
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
20 March '10 | 10:49am
hope nobody bought a starboard, oh dear!, oh dear oh dear!.
Re: Boardseeker waveboard tests?
21 March '10 | 7:51am
Great reading the test! I am eagerly waiting for my Quatro T76 which I ordered in december. Now the ice and snow on the west coast of Sweden is finally gone and the season has started. Concerning the test I missed the trimming guidelines from previous board reviews. Adrian, could you give some advice on footstrap and fin placement on the Quatro Tempo 76. Will be sailing primarily 1-2m onshore mush with 4.0-5.3, my weight 75kg.

Secondly I want your opinion on a partner to the T76. I am considering a freewave around 85 liters (e.g. SB Kode 86) or a larger Twin. How is the Quatro T84 compared to e.g. the Kode 86? Is the T84 to close in size to the T76? Maybe go for the Quatro T92?
Thanx!



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